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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Dec 30, 2011 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I can forever remember the moment way back when discovering and dancing and falling in love with the GD listening to Sugar Magnolia. The E72 version is still the best and it sends me to chills and thrills still to this very day. Try the version from The Evans Fieldhouse 10-29-77 - rollicking funtimes and why I Love The Grateful Dead!!!

Sunshine Daydream,
Walk you in the tall trees...


What's your moment?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 30, 2011 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

Perhaps not one moment or song, but a series of moments and songs and experiences intertwined ...

The TIFTOO on Anthem of the Sun made a huge impact on me. Actually, that whole first side. (The whole album, but we're trying to narrow it down, right?) The first time I heard it, I liked it, but was probably more intrigued than blown away; I actually remember what I said to the guy (a serious tape-collecting Deadhead) who played it for me in his dorm room. I said, "I can see why you like this." Positive but not "oh my god! Incredible! Stop the presses!" But I was intrigued enough to get a couple of albums myself, play them (and particularly that side) over and over (it grew on me exponentially rather quickly) and to go along to shows (three in a row, LOL) maybe six weeks later. That was intense; I was going through a lot of changes, and this music absolutely became a big part of it.

I'd also say that the E72 Sugar Magnolia and China Rider were central, too -- particularly hearing them on beautiful lush green spring days, all sunshine daydreamy, when they made everything exactly right.

And St Stephen is the other one. It blends those two moods/mental landscapes/musical universes together so perfectly. It has the psychedelic intensity of TIFTOO with the ecstatic but grounding nature of both Sugar Magnolia and the journey from China to Rider.

I could keep naming songs ... but I think once I'd connected with those songs and linked them in some way with personally meaningful experiences ... well, there ya go :-)




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Poster: Scarlet Terrapin Date: Dec 30, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

For me the iconic song was Morning Dew from the (1967) first album...and Viola Lee of course, and being in 11/12 time signature, when you were out walking you would skip at the point of the missed 12th bar at the end of each verse.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I may have related part of this story before, but here goes.

College, fall of 1973. I work as Photo Editor for the yearbook and newspaper. We have our office in the basement of the clock tower - truly a little den of iniquity complete with stereo, fridge and hot plate (no microwave in those days) as well as desks. It's our own private hangout, 24/7. The new longhair guy joins the staff, and behold, lugs down a case of 16oz. Cokes, a Strat, 2 milk crates full of records and a nice bag of stinky.

The first thing he does after moving in - Skull Fuck was on the turntable. From the first thumping bass notes of Bertha, I was hooked - I'd never heard anything quite like this. The next few hours were spent listening to WD, AB and E72. It was that mix of beautiful bass, snarling lead guitar, tight rhythm and just a touch of country twang that did it for me. Some weeks later out in his carpeted van with 8 speakers, we lit up and put on Live Dead...

Thank you Bertha... and Althea, Rosalee et al.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 31, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Playing in the Band Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

When I first really started getting into the Dead I was big into 1972. A buddy of mine hooked me up with Dicks Picks 23 and I threw on PITB - I was definitely hooked. Then I heard Veneta, and it was all over for me :-0

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Poster: byronious Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I was a country Tennesse boy who had heard "Casey Jones" a time or two on pop radio. I lived in Casey's hometown so we liked it. Took first dose at 16 that "didn't work" so drove home. In route my cigarette started tracing while skeltons cd played the live "lovelight"..boom! I was right there with it heart and soul. turned around heading back to the party. fortunate to see a show my senior year april '95 in Memphis. Was attracted to the spirit of the people who i initially was scared of. years went by and jumped back in the scene last spring at the Fox atl and saw a couple shows this summer. good to be back.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Dec 30, 2011 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: China Rider

The China Rider from Europe '72 is what got my attention...then it was this that completely set me off:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/grateful-dead/video/alabama-getaway_1002969.html

and every song that follweed at that show. I never looked back and jumped in with both feet. 200+ shows attended, now I play in 3 different GD based bands, still feel this about the only musical style that R&R has produced that will stand the test of time in a Beethoven/Mozart level...ie 400 years later and still relavent.

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Poster: Scarlet Terrapin Date: Dec 30, 2011 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Rider

Yeah, in Alabama Getaway the song seems workmanlike and then builds to a wonderful ending. But the China/Rider is fantastic.

What this means is that I should get off my duff and get into a tribute band here in Vancouver (electric bass mainly)

Cheers

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Dec 30, 2011 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Rider


I play electric bass for the most part. One group is a GD tribute, one is a JGB style with about 50% originals and 50% JGB tunes, the third plays Dead but not like the Dead, just inspired by the style but not trying to cop licks, playing it our way with the structure of the song as the foundation.

I find that playing live on stage is about the only way I can get close to the excitment and thrill of a real GD show.



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Poster: stv_57 Date: Dec 31, 2011 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: China Rider

Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but Western Civilation might have peaked, so to speak, somewhere between China Cat and I Know You Rider on Europe '72.

Phil has a great quote about inspired group improvisation that I'm trying to dig up, but haven't been able to find.

What I got out of the quote though, was that this kind of group improvisation, or group mind, can literally take the music to a mystical or spiritual level, at least when it works.

This version of China Rider is one of countless GD moments that transcend the individual players, and connect them and the listeners to something richer and deeper.

At least that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it...

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Poster: Edsel Date: Dec 30, 2011 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

Visiting friends living in a basement at Waller and Ashbury, KMPX on the radio, and I'm about to get high for the first time. I do. Viola Lee comes on and I like it a lot.
Someone says they live just around the corner. I know I'm in the right place.
The End.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 30, 2011 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

Warner Brothers 1967 release "The Grateful Dead, or as Phil says, "San Francisco's Grateful Dead". I think it may have been 1968 when I "discovered" this gem. I can't pinpoint a particular cut that stood out. I knew this band was something different. I liked what I heard and I haven't stopped listening to them yet.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

interestingly , same song , same album for me!!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 30, 2011 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

No big moment for me. But the 3 min to 6 min portion of sugar mag could likely define my time as a dead head in high school. Loved the song and lived for that couple minute jam. Its since taken a back burner and rarely is played. But it is a classic song that can always get ya going.

I think the moments are still happening for me. Still discovering and developing my understanding of all this.

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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Dec 30, 2011 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I discovered this band by accident, loooong after Jerry died (maybe 2006)

I don't know if it was on Pandora, or somewhere else, but I heard Friend of the Devil (AB), and was confused.

All I knew about the GD were dirty hippies and songs that went on for three hours :D

I ended up listening to, I think, Skeletons from the Closet (had 10 tracks, the last being a live version of Lovelight).

Listened to that for a while, and knew nothing of the archive.

Then, of course, I find out about the archive later, and decide to check it out.

I didn't know a damn thing about eras, so, I think the first thing I listened to was something from 87.

That was almost the end of my love for the Dead :D

I put the music on the shelf for a while, and, months later, searched youtube for GD.

Then I stumbled across He's Gone from Tivoli...

then it was back on :D

I think what really grabbed my attention was the bass. I'd never heard bass used like that in a rock song (granted, most of my rock experience up to that point was punk-oriented stuff).

Then, somehow, I stumbled across the audience recording of 8-6-71.

And I've been falling down the rabbit hole since then :D

The end.

PS-First official purchase was Europe '72

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-05-04.glassberg.vernon.18878.sbeok.shnfReviewer: Street Pig - 4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars - July 7, 2005
Subject: First of many to come
This was the first Hampton, pouring rain and da boys arriving late did not hamper the vibe.The locals were getting their first dose of the deadhead world and they welcomed us(and our $) with open arms. The scene outside was a reunion of sorts with Southern and Northeast heads meeting up with the diehard west coasters. Yellow school buses with VW Buses mounted on top of them, stir fry, bracelets, bartering and smiles were the theme for the next 13 yrs. This copy here is a welcome one since I had and Aud copy that was rather hissy. I remember having one of the light bulb coming on moments during Stella when my misunderstandings of the band melted into belief that there were in our hearts and minds.what other band achieved that?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Dec 30, 2011 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

China->Rider from Irvine Meadows, 4-14-85

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 30, 2011 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Let It Grow is the Song that Made Me a Deadhead!

I already liked the Dead, but didn't consider myself a Deadhead until, fully dosed, I saw them play Let It Grow at my first show in Pittsburgh on July 8, 1990. There was no turning back after that.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Dec 30, 2011 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I started a topic like this in Deadnet and wrote this.

I Got On The Bus - Part 1
I walked in to my high school American Literature class and there leaning against the chalkboard at the front of the class was a record cover with a fantastic picture of a skeleton with roses in on it's head and the words Grateful Dead above it. I had read about the legendary band in Rolling Stone and heard a song or two on Beaker Street AM radio from Little Rock late at night and on KUNI-FM public radio but I had never seen one of their records, it beckoned to me throughout the class. I couldn’t wait to hear it. Towards the end of class we got to have music in the background while we read for 20 minutes. The volume was pretty low but I liked the rhythms that I heard. My friend Archie and I started talking after class and he told me it was his record and I asked if I could borrow it.

I took it home, placed it on the stereo and looked at the picture of the band inside the cover. Wow, these guys are real hippies, with tie dye shirts; they are not pretty boys, that’s cool. Out of the speakers jumped Bertha with the loud bouncing bass line, a sweet lead vocal, nice harmonies, an organ, curious rhythm guitar and a great guitar solo. This was not Grand Funk Railroad or Black Sabbath; hey these guys are really good. They might be as good as Jefferson Airplane or Santana or CCR or maybe even Cream or the Doors. I turned the song way up and rocked and then what ? A country song? What is this? Mama Tried? Merle Haggard? Hell, I was trying to avoid that shit, I lived in the middle of Iowa corn country and it was everywhere. But hey it sounds pretty good the way they do it, I had to admit. Big Railroad Blues, a pretty good rocker and Playing in The Band, that one cooks. Play the next side and what? A drum solo, they are starting a record with a drum solo? But then there is this great bass line and really intense energy and great guitar and then it slows way down and speeds up and slows down and speeds up; this is different than any rock and roll I ever heard . But I think I like it, I think I like it a lot, I think. It’s kind of weird though. That must be the psychedelic part, but I kind of think I like it, lots, I think. Funny name, The Other One. OK, more rockers, Me and My Uncle, Big Boss Man, Me and Bobby McGee, Johnny B. Goode, great. Then a really slow song, “Wharf Rat”, I like the voice, but this is really kind of slow. Hey wait a minute, he just said fucker on a record! Wow, I think that’s cool. Then more great rockers Not Fade Away and Goin’ Down the Road.

I must have played the whole album 20 or so times in the next week or so and played Bertha, Playing In the Band, Me and Bobby McGee, Johnny B. Goode and Not Fade Away about 100 times. Seriously, I was hooked. Finally Archie demanded he get his record back. I picked up a copy the next time we went to Cedar Rapids, 40 miles away.

Next one was Europe 72 and I swear on the bridge between China Cat Sunflower and I Know You Rider some of kind of inner switch was turned on. You know what I mean. If you are here you understand. Then Truckin’ and the beauty of Morning Dew just strengthened it, whatever it was. I felt like the music was inside of me, like it was a vital part of me, an inner force.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Dec 30, 2011 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

Hal, you couldn't have said it better - expressed a lot of my feelings about this record in particular. And I know the "switch" being turned on, esp. that China/Rider - I've played those particular tracks thousands of times...

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Poster: benwah Date: Dec 30, 2011 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Sugar Magnolia Is The Song That Made Me A Deadhead!

I agree that Sugar is a great tune and the first time I heard it on Skeletons on my way to a party as a freshman in college I instantly was interested in the Dead. Within a year I had transformed what I listened to, my favorite tune changes each month I think, right now it's Althea, wait, it's Black Throated Wind,GRRRRR I love them all. Happy New Year whoever you are!